In this highlight video from DoubleLine’s September client event at the Plaza Hotel in New York, CEO-CIO Jeffrey Gundlach joins Deputy CIO Jeffrey Sherman for a wide-ranging look at bonds, credit and markets. Mr. Gundlach argues that many of the relationships that investors relied on for decades have stopped working, a new world he calls “backward land.” The clearest consequence is a view that runs against conventional wisdom: “In the next recession, long term rates will go up” as a downturn pushes the deficit toward 12% of GDP and interest expense toward $3 trillion a year. With the government increasingly uncomfortable with where rates are headed, he expects more intervention, starting with a larger Operation Twist.
On credit, Mr. Gundlach sees cracks forming around the edges, with AI-related bonds widening well beyond the rest of the market and private credit marks raising real questions. On rating agencies that hand out investment grade stamps, he says, “It’s not an analysis, it’s a price list.” He also walks through where he sees safer ground, including seasoned securitized credit and emerging markets local currency debt, while cautioning that equity valuations and market concentration leave little margin for error.
Mr. Gundlach is CEO of DoubleLine. In 2011, he appeared on the cover of Barron's as "The New Bond King." In 2013, Institutional Investor named him "Money Manager of the Year." In 2012, 2015 and 2016, he was named one of "The Fifty Most Influential" in Bloomberg Markets. In 2017, he was inducted into the FIASI Fixed Income Hall of Fame. Mr. Gundlach is a summa cum laude graduate of Dartmouth College, with degrees in Mathematics and Philosophy.
Jeffrey Sherman, DoubleLine’s Deputy Chief Investment Officer, is a thought leader, portfolio manager and public speaker in the industry. Mr. Sherman is a member of DoubleLine’s Fixed Income and Global Asset Allocation committees, and he serves as lead portfolio manager for the firm’s multi-sector and derivative-based strategies. In his role, Mr. Sherman guides the investment teams in developing top-down macro views and collaborative asset allocation processes throughout a market cycle. Additionally, he is a member of DoubleLine’s Executive Management Committee. In 2018, Money Management Executive named Mr. Sherman as one of “10 Fund Managers to Watch” in its yearly special report. Prior to joining DoubleLine in 2009, Mr. Sherman was a Senior Vice President at TCW, where he worked as a portfolio manager and quantitative analyst focused on fixed income and real-asset portfolios. Prior to that, he was a statistics and mathematics instructor at the University of the Pacific and Florida State University. Mr. Sherman taught Quantitative Methods for Level I candidates in the USC/CFALA CFA® Review Program for many years. He holds a B.S. in Applied Mathematics from the University of the Pacific and an M.S. in Financial Engineering from Claremont Graduate University. Mr. Sherman is a CFA® charterholder.
