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June 1, 2022 | The Sherman Show

S12 E10: Jane Street’s Ugo Egbunike on ETFs, and the Comforts and Benefits of Passive Investing

Ugo Egbunike, a fixed income specialist at Jane Street, joins DoubleLine’s Jeffrey Sherman and Samuel Lau on The Sherman Show during the InsideETFs conference in Hollywood, Florida. Mr. Egbunike kicks the episode off by recounting his time as a Bowdoin University undergrad with authorial aspirations and pre-med designs who would end up an econ major jumping into the then-“bleak” hiring market of 2009. (1:14) His first job at Kellogg Capital Markets introduced him to ETFs, a focus that led him to the San Francisco startup scene and Index Universe, where he was “baptized in the comforts and the benefits of passive investing, and the good that ETFs were doing.”

Topics that Mr. Egbunike discusses with Messrs. Sherman and Lau include quantifying “best” exposures amid marketing messages of “cheap cheap, fees fees” (10:52), Jane Street’s place in the ETF ecosystem (13:42), fixed income ETFs’ price-discovery function (21:42) and risk management of passive and active products (28:06). The three also cover the secondary market for Air Jordans (7:25), thematic ETFs (11:48) and the three things that Mr. Egbunike says every ETF investor should know (37:39). This episode was recorded June 1, 2022.

About the Hosts

About the Hosts

  • Jeffrey Sherman, CFA

    Jeffrey Sherman, CFA

    As DoubleLine’s Deputy Chief Investment Officer, Jeffrey Sherman oversees and administers DoubleLine’s Investment Management sub-committee coordinating and implementing policies and processes across the investment teams. He also serves as lead portfolio manager for multi-sector and derivative-based strategies. Mr. Sherman is a member of DoubleLine’s Executive Management and Fixed Income Asset Allocation Committees. He can be heard regularly on his podcast “The Sherman Show” (Twitter @ShermanShowPod, ShermanShow@Doubleline.com) where he interviews distinguished guests, giving listeners insight into DoubleLine’s current views. In 2018, Money Management Executive named Jeffrey Sherman as one of “10 Fund Managers to Watch” in its yearly special report. Prior to joining DoubleLine in 2009, Mr. Sherman was a Senior Vice President at TCW where he worked as a portfolio manager and quantitative analyst focused on fixed income and real-asset portfolios. He was a statistics and mathematics instructor at both the University of the Pacific and Florida State University. Mr. Sherman taught Quantitative Methods for Level I candidates in the CFA LA/USC Review Program for many years. He holds a B.S. in Applied Mathematics from the University of the Pacific and an M.S. in Financial Engineering from the Claremont Graduate University. Mr. Sherman is a CFA® charterholder.

  • Samuel Lau

    Macro-Asset Allocation

    Samuel Lau

    Macro-Asset Allocation

    Mr. Lau joined DoubleLine in 2009. He is a Strategist on the Fixed Income Asset Allocation (FIAA) Committee and a contributing member on the Global Asset Allocation and Macro committees. Mr. Lau is a Portfolio Manager on DoubleLine’s strategic commodity strategy while working in portfolio management and trading for derivatives-based and multi-asset strategies, including DoubleLine's Shiller Enhanced CAPE®, Shiller Enhanced International CAPE®, Real Estate and Income, and Multi-Asset Trend strategies. He also co-hosts the Sherman Show (Twitter @ShermanShowPod, ShermanShow@Doubleline.com) and Monday Morning Minutes (Twitter @DLineMinutes, Minutes@Doubleline.com) podcasts. Prior to DoubleLine, Mr. Lau was a Vice President at TCW where he worked under Jeffrey Gundlach as a Research Analyst in the Mortgage Group. He holds a B.S. from the University of Wisconsin, Madison and an MBA from the Marshall School of Business at the University of Southern California.