May 11, 2023 | The Sherman Show

TSS Episode 139: J.P. Morgan’s Michael Feroli on the Fed’s One Tool, the Separation Principle, Immaculate Disinflation, and the Magic Regressor

DoubleLine Deputy Chief Investment Officer Jeffrey Sherman and Portfolio Manager Samuel Lau welcome J.P. Morgan Chief U.S. Economist Michael Feroli to The Sherman Show. Mr. Feroli kicks the episode off by recounting his educational transition from philosophy to finance and his employment transition from working at the Federal Reserve Board, when Alan Greenspan was chair and Ben Bernanke was a board governor, to the private sector for J.P. Morgan (2:53). Mr. Feroli then addresses topics including the potential disconnect between financial markets and the real economy (5:42), the lag this cycle between the Fed’s interest rate hikes and their impact on the labor market (10:03), the interplay of financial stability and monetary policy in the Fed’s response to the banking crisis (17:03) and the possibility for immaculate (painless) disinflation (20:09). “Can we get back to 2% without a recession?” Mr. Feroli asks in regard to hitting the Fed’s annual inflation target. “The models would say probably not.”

Messrs. Sherman, Lau and Feroli also discuss, among other topics, what a slowdown in credit could mean for smaller businesses (28:06), fractional reserve and narrow banking systems (32:02), the hunt for a magic regressor signaling recession (41:27) and Mr. Feroli’s concerns over how the debt-ceiling standoff in Washington could go down differently this time – in a bad way (44:32). This episode was recorded May 4, 2023.

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  • Jeffrey Sherman, CFA

    Jeffrey Sherman, CFA

    As DoubleLine’s Deputy Chief Investment Officer, Jeffrey Sherman oversees and administers DoubleLine’s Investment Management sub-committee coordinating and implementing policies and processes across the investment teams. He also serves as lead portfolio manager for multi-sector and derivative-based strategies. Mr. Sherman is a member of DoubleLine’s Executive Management and Fixed Income Asset Allocation Committees. He can be heard regularly on his podcast “The Sherman Show” (Twitter @ShermanShowPod, where he interviews distinguished guests, giving listeners insight into DoubleLine’s current views. In 2018, Money Management Executive named Jeffrey Sherman as one of “10 Fund Managers to Watch” in its yearly special report. Prior to joining DoubleLine in 2009, Mr. Sherman was a Senior Vice President at TCW where he worked as a portfolio manager and quantitative analyst focused on fixed income and real-asset portfolios. He was a statistics and mathematics instructor at both the University of the Pacific and Florida State University. Mr. Sherman taught Quantitative Methods for Level I candidates in the CFA LA/USC Review Program for many years. He holds a B.S. in Applied Mathematics from the University of the Pacific and an M.S. in Financial Engineering from the Claremont Graduate University. Mr. Sherman is a CFA® charterholder.

  • Samuel Lau

    Macro-Asset Allocation

    Samuel Lau

    Macro-Asset Allocation

    Mr. Lau joined DoubleLine in 2009. He is a Strategist on the Fixed Income Asset Allocation (FIAA) Committee and a contributing member on the Global Asset Allocation and Macro committees. Mr. Lau is a Portfolio Manager on DoubleLine’s strategic commodity strategy while working in portfolio management and trading for derivatives-based and multi-asset strategies, including DoubleLine's Shiller Enhanced CAPE®, Shiller Enhanced International CAPE®, Real Estate and Income, and Multi-Asset Trend strategies. He also co-hosts the Sherman Show (Twitter @ShermanShowPod, and Monday Morning Minutes (Twitter @DLineMinutes, podcasts. Prior to DoubleLine, Mr. Lau was a Vice President at TCW where he worked under Jeffrey Gundlach as a Research Analyst in the Mortgage Group. He holds a B.S. from the University of Wisconsin, Madison and an MBA from the Marshall School of Business at the University of Southern California.