May 25, 2023 | The Sherman Show

TSS Episode 140: StoneX’s Vincent Deluard on Recession Skepticism, Not Balancing the Books and Going Lighter on Duration

DoubleLine Deputy CIO Jeffrey Sherman and Portfolio Manager Samuel Lau welcome StoneX Director of Macro Global Strategy Vincent Deluard to The Sherman Show. Mr. Deluard begins the episode by sharing how his passion for collecting actual paper money coins before getting into his career in finance, working at StoneX and teaching at Saint Mary’s College. Messrs. Sherman, Lau and Deluard then get into, among other topics, Mr. Deluard’s nonconsensus calls including his recession doubts (8:11), why he feels a certain level of inflation is accretive to the economy (11:46), why he thinks the government doesn’t need to balance its books (14:59) and where the 2% target for inflation comes from (19:42). On the topic of the federal government balancing the books, Mr. Deluard says, “I’m not arguing that we should just spend the way like Venezuela or Argentina does, but the notion that we need to balance the books is wrong. At the end of the day, it’s a tradeoff.”

The three also discuss how the Fed’s QE policy led to its current tough talk on inflation (24:32), why Mr. Deluard believes we can sidestep recession in 2023 (28:34), why we should let capitalism work out the banking dilemma (32:15) and Mr. Deluard’s thoughts on allocation (34:28), including commodity positioning (38:49) and lightening up on duration (41:56). This episode was recorded May 22, 2023.

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  • Jeffrey Sherman, CFA

    Jeffrey Sherman, CFA

    As DoubleLine’s Deputy Chief Investment Officer, Jeffrey Sherman oversees and administers DoubleLine’s Investment Management sub-committee coordinating and implementing policies and processes across the investment teams. He also serves as lead portfolio manager for multi-sector and derivative-based strategies. Mr. Sherman is a member of DoubleLine’s Executive Management and Fixed Income Asset Allocation Committees. He can be heard regularly on his podcast “The Sherman Show” (Twitter @ShermanShowPod, where he interviews distinguished guests, giving listeners insight into DoubleLine’s current views. In 2018, Money Management Executive named Jeffrey Sherman as one of “10 Fund Managers to Watch” in its yearly special report. Prior to joining DoubleLine in 2009, Mr. Sherman was a Senior Vice President at TCW where he worked as a portfolio manager and quantitative analyst focused on fixed income and real-asset portfolios. He was a statistics and mathematics instructor at both the University of the Pacific and Florida State University. Mr. Sherman taught Quantitative Methods for Level I candidates in the CFA LA/USC Review Program for many years. He holds a B.S. in Applied Mathematics from the University of the Pacific and an M.S. in Financial Engineering from the Claremont Graduate University. Mr. Sherman is a CFA® charterholder.

  • Samuel Lau

    Macro-Asset Allocation

    Samuel Lau

    Macro-Asset Allocation

    Mr. Lau joined DoubleLine in 2009. He is a Strategist on the Fixed Income Asset Allocation (FIAA) Committee and a contributing member on the Global Asset Allocation and Macro committees. Mr. Lau is a Portfolio Manager on DoubleLine’s strategic commodity strategy while working in portfolio management and trading for derivatives-based and multi-asset strategies, including DoubleLine's Shiller Enhanced CAPE®, Shiller Enhanced International CAPE®, Real Estate and Income, and Multi-Asset Trend strategies. He also co-hosts the Sherman Show (Twitter @ShermanShowPod, and Monday Morning Minutes (Twitter @DLineMinutes, podcasts. Prior to DoubleLine, Mr. Lau was a Vice President at TCW where he worked under Jeffrey Gundlach as a Research Analyst in the Mortgage Group. He holds a B.S. from the University of Wisconsin, Madison and an MBA from the Marshall School of Business at the University of Southern California.